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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (A-02)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE:The Runge-Lenz vector}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NT-F-10.png|thumb|right|360px|alt=An ellipse with the sun at one focus and a planet marked on it. An arrow from the focus along the major axis is labelled A, the Runge-Lenz vector. A faint rotated copy of the ellipse shows what happens for any other force law, where the axis turns.|The closed Kepler orbit and the Runge-Lenz vector]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;This page works the conserved quantity and does not derive the symmetry behind&lt;br /&gt;
it.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The second half is flagged below.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The puzzle ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A planet moving under an inverse-square attraction traces a closed ellipse that&lt;br /&gt;
does not precess. Under any other central force law it precesses: the orbit is&lt;br /&gt;
still bounded, but the long axis slowly turns.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Energy and angular momentum are conserved for every central force. So they cannot&lt;br /&gt;
be what closes the orbit. Something extra is conserved in the inverse-square case&lt;br /&gt;
only, and it was noticed long before anyone could say why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The quantity, and the check ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
With &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;V=-k/r&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, momentum &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;p=m\dot{r}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, and angular momentum&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;L=r\times p&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;, define&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;A=p\times L-mk\hat{r}\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(1)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Differentiate along the motion. Since &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;L&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is conserved,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{dA}{dt}=\dot{p}\times L-mk\frac{d\hat{r}}{dt}\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(2)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The force is &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\dot{p}=-k\hat{r}/r^{2}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;. Using the vector identity for&lt;br /&gt;
a triple product,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\dot{p}\times L=-\frac{k}{r^{2}}\,\hat{r}\times(r\times p)=-\frac{k}{r^{2}}\left[r\left(\hat{r}\cdot p\right)-pr\right]=\frac{mk}{r^{2}}\left[r\dot{r}-r\left(\hat{r}\cdot\dot{r}\right)\right]\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(3)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And differentiating the unit vector,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{d\hat{r}}{dt}=\frac{\dot{r}}{r}-\frac{r\left(\hat{r}\cdot\dot{r}\right)}{r^{2}}=\frac{1}{r^{2}}\left[r\dot{r}-r\left(\hat{r}\cdot\dot{r}\right)\right]\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(4)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The bracket in (3) and the bracket in (4) are the same. Substituting both into&lt;br /&gt;
(2), the two terms cancel exactly and&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{dA}{dt}=0\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(5)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Where the inverse square enters.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; At (3), and nowhere else. Any other power&lt;br /&gt;
leaves a residue the second term cannot cancel, and the orbit precesses.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The vector points along the long axis of the ellipse, which is why its constancy&lt;br /&gt;
is the statement that the axis does not turn.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The symmetry, not derived ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;UNVERIFIED.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The symmetry responsible is stated in the literature to be a&lt;br /&gt;
rotational symmetry of a four-dimensional space, larger than the ordinary&lt;br /&gt;
rotations of the three-dimensional problem, and acting on a combination of&lt;br /&gt;
position and momentum rather than on position alone. Exhibiting it and running it&lt;br /&gt;
through (N12) is not done here.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Two things are worth saying without it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;It is not visible in the Lagrangian.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The transformation mixes the&lt;br /&gt;
coordinates with their derivatives. That is exactly the case Noether takes trouble&lt;br /&gt;
to allow — see&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/Prolongation to derivatives|prolongation]] — and&lt;br /&gt;
the case most textbook statements of the theorem exclude by assumption.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;This is the reverse direction earning its keep.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; A conserved quantity turned&lt;br /&gt;
up with no known symmetry. The converse says one exists. It did.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Provenance: (1) to (5) are this volume&amp;#039;s own derivation. The symmetry is flagged&lt;br /&gt;
UNVERIFIED and no source was consulted. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Sources|Sources]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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