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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-08)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-08)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE:A flowing quantity and a standing total}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/The Noether current and the Noether charge|The Noether current and the Noether charge]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NT-F-04.png|thumb|right|360px|alt=A tube drawn in perspective with arrows flowing along it, labelled the current. A dashed elliptical cross-section partway along is labelled the charge, with a note that the amount crossing is the same at every slice. A caption states that conservation means the books balance rather than that nothing moves.|The Noether current as a flux through a tube]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first theorem hands you an object for each knob. This page says what that&lt;br /&gt;
object is.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Flow and total ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Think of water in a network of pipes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At any point you can ask how fast water is moving and in which direction. That is&lt;br /&gt;
the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;flow&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. It is a different arrow at every point.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You can also draw a surface across the network and ask how much water crosses it.&lt;br /&gt;
That is a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;total&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If water is never created or destroyed anywhere in the network, the total crossing&lt;br /&gt;
one surface equals the total crossing any other. The number does not depend on&lt;br /&gt;
where you cut.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first theorem produces exactly this pair. Physicists call the flow the&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;current&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and the total the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;charge&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; — including when the quantity in&lt;br /&gt;
question is energy rather than electricity, which is a piece of vocabulary worth&lt;br /&gt;
bracing for.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Where the flow comes from ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Two contributions, and they have different origins.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Part of it comes from the things in the system changing. Part of it comes from&lt;br /&gt;
the frame having moved, in the sense of&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/What happens at the edges|the picture-frame&lt;br /&gt;
picture]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A treatment that never moves the frame gets only the first part. Energy comes from&lt;br /&gt;
moving the frame in time, so that treatment cannot produce energy. This is a&lt;br /&gt;
common shortcut and it quietly costs the most famous case.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The flow is not unique ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is something that surprises people and is not a defect.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Add to your flow a circulating pattern — water going round in a loop, never&lt;br /&gt;
accumulating anywhere. Every total across every surface is unchanged, because&lt;br /&gt;
whatever the loop carries across, it carries back.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So there are many flows giving the same totals, and nothing in the theorem picks&lt;br /&gt;
one out. Physics later found reasons to prefer particular choices, but the theorem&lt;br /&gt;
itself does not care, and the freedom is genuine rather than an artefact of a&lt;br /&gt;
clumsy derivation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Counting is not the same as counting facts ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The theorem promises one result per knob, and the results are independent in a&lt;br /&gt;
precise technical sense.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They need not be independent in the sense you care about.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A car travelling at a steady speed gives you two true statements: its speed is&lt;br /&gt;
constant, and the square of its speed is constant. Those are two statements. They&lt;br /&gt;
are not two facts. Knowing either tells you the other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Noether gives exactly this example herself, with a system where two properly&lt;br /&gt;
independent symmetries deliver two conserved quantities that turn out to be&lt;br /&gt;
tied together.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;So the count is a count of relations, not a count of things you have&lt;br /&gt;
learned.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Read the number that way and it will not mislead you.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== When the flow does not balance ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One last case, which Noether puts in a footnote in 1918 and which turns out to&lt;br /&gt;
matter enormously later.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Suppose the system is not isolated — something outside is feeding into it. Then&lt;br /&gt;
the flow does not balance, and the totals across different surfaces differ. The&lt;br /&gt;
difference is exactly what was fed in.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
She writes this down without comment. Modern physics calls the feeding term a&lt;br /&gt;
source, and the whole of how forces couple to matter is written in this shape.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What a total means when the flow is through time ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The pipe picture has one feature that needs unpacking, because it is where the&lt;br /&gt;
word &amp;quot;conserved&amp;quot; comes from.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the pipe network you drew a surface and asked how much crossed it. In physics&lt;br /&gt;
the surfaces are usually snapshots: all of space, at one moment.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So the total is a quantity spread over the whole of space at one instant, and the&lt;br /&gt;
statement that the total is the same across different surfaces means it is the&lt;br /&gt;
same at every instant.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is conservation, and it is worth noticing that it came from a statement about&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;flow&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; rather than about staying still. Nothing is required to sit motionless.&lt;br /&gt;
Energy moves around constantly. What the theorem gives you is that the books&lt;br /&gt;
balance: whatever leaves a region has gone somewhere adjacent, never nowhere.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why this matters for gravity ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The local statement — nothing is created or destroyed anywhere — is the strong one.&lt;br /&gt;
The total is a consequence of it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You might hope to keep the total even if the local statement fails. In general&lt;br /&gt;
relativity that hope is where the trouble starts, because there the local&lt;br /&gt;
statement is the one that goes wrong. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Why gravity has no local energy|Why gravity has no&lt;br /&gt;
local energy]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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