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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-12)</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE:Drifting centres and electric charge}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/Centre-of-mass motion and electric charge|Centre-of-mass motion and electric charge]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Two more cases. The first needs a condition Noether did not use. The second&lt;br /&gt;
needs nothing new and is quietly the same calculation as angular momentum.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Two skaters push apart ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Two skaters stand still on ice, facing each other, and push. They slide apart.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Watch the point midway between them, weighted for their masses. Before the push&lt;br /&gt;
it was still. After the push it is still still — it has not moved, and it will&lt;br /&gt;
not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now do the same on a moving train. From the platform, that midpoint was already&lt;br /&gt;
travelling at the train&amp;#039;s speed before the push, and afterwards it carries on at&lt;br /&gt;
exactly that speed. Not faster, not slower, not wobbling.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The centre of mass of an isolated system moves at a constant rate.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; That is a&lt;br /&gt;
conservation law, and it is less famous than energy or momentum because it sounds&lt;br /&gt;
like a restatement of them. It is not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Where it comes from, and the catch ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The symmetry is: run the experiment from a laboratory sliding at a steady speed&lt;br /&gt;
instead of a parked one. One knob — how fast you slide.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the catch. Under Noether&amp;#039;s own condition, this symmetry gives &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;nothing&lt;br /&gt;
at all&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. The scoring rule does not survive the change unaltered.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What it does is change by a term that only ever contributes at the beginning and&lt;br /&gt;
the end. That is the weaker condition from&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Two ways a thing can stay the same|Two ways a thing&lt;br /&gt;
can stay the same]], and it is &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Bessel-Hagen&amp;#039;s, from 1921&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Under his condition, the calculation runs and delivers the drifting centre of&lt;br /&gt;
mass.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The conserved quantity is real, the derivation is standard, and the condition that&lt;br /&gt;
licenses it is not in the 1918 paper. This volume says so wherever the case&lt;br /&gt;
appears, because saying &amp;quot;by Noether&amp;#039;s theorem&amp;quot; here is the single most common&lt;br /&gt;
misattribution in the subject.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Charge, and a coincidence that is not one ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now something that looks entirely different and turns out to be the same&lt;br /&gt;
arithmetic.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some quantities in physics are described by a pair of numbers at every point, and&lt;br /&gt;
the scoring rule only ever cares about the pair through a combination that stays&lt;br /&gt;
fixed when you rotate one number into the other — the way a compass needle&amp;#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
length does not change when it swings.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rotating that pair is a symmetry. One knob: the angle.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One knob, one conserved quantity. That quantity is electric charge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why that is worth pausing on ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Compare this with angular momentum, from&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Why energy and momentum are conserved|the previous&lt;br /&gt;
page]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Angular momentum came from rotating &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;space&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; — turning the apparatus so it&lt;br /&gt;
faces a different way.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Charge comes from rotating something that is not space at all. There is no&lt;br /&gt;
direction you could point to. The two numbers are properties the field carries at&lt;br /&gt;
each point, and the rotation happens among those properties.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The theorem cannot tell the difference.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The calculation is character for&lt;br /&gt;
character the same. Nothing in it knows whether the things being rotated are&lt;br /&gt;
directions in a room or numbers attached to a field.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Physics draws the distinction afterwards and calls the second kind an&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;internal&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; symmetry. Charge is its first and simplest example, and every&lt;br /&gt;
force in the Standard Model was found by taking the idea seriously.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That an eighteenth-century bookkeeping trick about rotating a pendulum and a&lt;br /&gt;
twentieth-century account of electric charge are the same line of algebra is not&lt;br /&gt;
a coincidence. It is what a theorem is for.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What happened when people took the idea seriously ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The rotation described above is the simplest possible internal symmetry: one knob,&lt;br /&gt;
one conserved quantity, electric charge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In the 1950s physicists asked an obvious follow-up question. What if the internal&lt;br /&gt;
thing being rotated has more than two components, so that the rotations can be&lt;br /&gt;
done in several independent ways and do not commute with one another?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The answer turned out to describe the strong and weak nuclear forces. Every force&lt;br /&gt;
in the Standard Model is now understood as an internal symmetry of exactly this&lt;br /&gt;
kind, with a different number of knobs in each case, and the conserved quantities&lt;br /&gt;
are the various charges those forces respond to.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
None of that was visible in 1918. What was visible was that the calculation does&lt;br /&gt;
not care whether you are rotating a room or rotating a pair of numbers, and that&lt;br /&gt;
turned out to be the door.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== And then the same question again, locally ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is one more step, and it is where the second theorem comes back.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ask what happens if the internal rotation may be dialled differently at every&lt;br /&gt;
point rather than once for everywhere. That is the local case from&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Symmetry that can differ from place to place|the&lt;br /&gt;
local symmetry page]], and it is how the forces are actually built. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/The symmetry behind the strong and weak forces|The&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry behind the strong and weak forces]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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