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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-20)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-20)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Mathematics/Lie groups and Lie algebras|Lie groups and Lie algebras]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NT-F-19.png|thumb|right|360px|alt=A curved closed region representing the group, with a marked point labelled the identity. A straight line touching the region at that point is labelled the algebra, the set of smallest steps. A caption describes closure under the commutator as the structure the theorems use.|A Lie group and its algebra as the tangent at the identity]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Noether&amp;#039;s theorems rest on a body of work by Sophus Lie, and she cites him three&lt;br /&gt;
times. This page covers only the part her proofs actually use.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Order matters, and the difference is the point ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Take a globe. Turn it a quarter turn about the vertical axis, then a quarter turn&lt;br /&gt;
about an axis pointing at you.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now start again and do the same two turns in the other order.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The globe ends up somewhere else. Rotations do not commute, and you can check this&lt;br /&gt;
with any object to hand.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;difference&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; between the two outcomes is itself a rotation. That is not&lt;br /&gt;
obvious and it is the fact everything is built on: doing two motions in each order&lt;br /&gt;
and comparing gives you back a motion of the same kind, not something new.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why that is surprising ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Each of the two sequences involves doing something twice. You might expect the&lt;br /&gt;
comparison to be a second-order thing — twice as complicated as a single turn.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is not. When you subtract, the complicated parts cancel exactly, and what&lt;br /&gt;
survives is a plain single motion.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The cancellation happens for a reason you already know in another form: it does&lt;br /&gt;
not matter which way round you take two derivatives. Slope-of-the-slope is the&lt;br /&gt;
same either way. That symmetry is what kills the complicated part, and it is worth&lt;br /&gt;
knowing because it is the entire technical content of the result.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== A closed family ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A collection of continuous motions is called a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;group&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; when doing two of them&lt;br /&gt;
in a row lands you inside the collection.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Combine that with the fact above and you get the structure Lie discovered. Take&lt;br /&gt;
your smallest motions — one for each knob, in the language of&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/What a continuous symmetry is|the earlier page]].&lt;br /&gt;
Compare any two in both orders. The result must be one of your smallest motions&lt;br /&gt;
again, or some combination of them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That single requirement is enormously restrictive. It fixes how the motions can&lt;br /&gt;
fit together, and the pattern of how they combine is a complete fingerprint of the&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry. Two symmetries with the same fingerprint behave identically no matter&lt;br /&gt;
what they are symmetries of.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== How Noether uses it ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At one place, and she uses it as a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;test&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; rather than as a fact.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Proving the reverse direction of her first theorem, she has recovered a family of&lt;br /&gt;
transformations and needs to know whether they form a proper closed family. Her&lt;br /&gt;
argument runs by contradiction: if they did not, then comparing two of them in&lt;br /&gt;
both orders would produce a motion outside the family. But her scoring rule&lt;br /&gt;
survives that motion too — so it would have to contribute another conserved&lt;br /&gt;
quantity, and she would end up with more than the count she started with. That&lt;br /&gt;
contradicts her assumption, so the family is closed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
She also relies on a result of Lie&amp;#039;s guaranteeing that a family of smallest&lt;br /&gt;
motions of a certain kind always belongs to a genuine family of full-sized ones.&lt;br /&gt;
She cites it by theorem number and page, which tells you she was using it&lt;br /&gt;
carefully rather than in passing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What this page leaves out ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Almost all of Lie theory. The classification of the possible fingerprints is a&lt;br /&gt;
major piece of mathematics and neither theorem needs any of it. If you want that,&lt;br /&gt;
go to a book on the subject; this page exists only so that Noether&amp;#039;s three&lt;br /&gt;
citations mean something when you meet them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== How much symmetry can a thing have ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The pattern of how motions combine is a complete fingerprint. Two symmetries whose&lt;br /&gt;
motions combine the same way are, for every purpose in this subject, the same&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry — even when the objects they act on have nothing in common.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is why a single piece of mathematics covers rotating a globe, rotating a&lt;br /&gt;
compass needle, and rotating the internal properties of a particle, none of which&lt;br /&gt;
resemble each other. They share a fingerprint.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It also puts a ceiling on things. The fingerprint has to be consistent with itself:&lt;br /&gt;
compare three motions in every possible pairing, and the results have to agree.&lt;br /&gt;
That requirement is severe enough to rule out most patterns you might invent, and&lt;br /&gt;
the surviving ones have been catalogued.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For this volume the practical consequence is the count. Ask how many independent&lt;br /&gt;
continuous symmetries a situation has and you get a definite number — three for&lt;br /&gt;
rotations in space, one for a rotation of a pair, four for the coordinate freedom&lt;br /&gt;
of spacetime. That number is what both of Noether&amp;#039;s theorems return results&lt;br /&gt;
against, so getting it right is the first step in applying either of them, and&lt;br /&gt;
the fingerprint is what makes it a matter of fact rather than of counting by hand&lt;br /&gt;
and hoping.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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