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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-02)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-02)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/The Lagrange expressions and the first variation|The Lagrange expressions and the first variation]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hang a chain between two hooks. It settles into one shape. Why that shape and not&lt;br /&gt;
another?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The nudge ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Give the chain a small push somewhere in the middle and let it go. It comes back.&lt;br /&gt;
Push it anywhere at all, by any small amount, and it comes back to the same&lt;br /&gt;
curve.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is the test. The real shape is the one where a small nudge anywhere makes no&lt;br /&gt;
difference to the score. Not a small difference — no difference at all, to first&lt;br /&gt;
order. Every nearby shape scores the same, which is what it means to sit at the&lt;br /&gt;
bottom of a valley rather than on a slope.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now do the accounting. When you nudge the chain at some point, the score changes&lt;br /&gt;
by an amount that depends on two things: how big your nudge was, and how&lt;br /&gt;
sensitive the score is at that point.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Add up those contributions along the whole chain and you have the total change in&lt;br /&gt;
the score. Each point contributes its own sensitivity multiplied by its own&lt;br /&gt;
nudge.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The sensitivity has a name ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those sensitivities — one number for each point, and one for each thing you could&lt;br /&gt;
nudge there — are the objects Noether calls the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Lagrange expressions&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Write down what they are and you have written down the equation of the chain,&lt;br /&gt;
because the real shape is exactly the shape where all of them are zero. No&lt;br /&gt;
sensitivity anywhere means no nudge changes anything.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Here is the step that matters, and it is easy to walk past.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Noether does not set them to zero.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
She writes down the sensitivities and leaves them standing. They are quantities&lt;br /&gt;
you can compute for any shape at all — the real one, a silly one, one you made&lt;br /&gt;
up. For the real shape they happen to be zero. For every other shape they are&lt;br /&gt;
not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why leaving them standing is the whole trick ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A statement about the sensitivities is a statement about every conceivable shape.&lt;br /&gt;
A statement about the real shape is a statement about one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first kind is much stronger in reach and much weaker in content. It is also&lt;br /&gt;
the kind both theorems produce. Noether&amp;#039;s results are true of chains hanging&lt;br /&gt;
wrongly, of paths a ball would never take, of arrangements that violate every law&lt;br /&gt;
of physics. That is not a loophole. It is where the strength comes from.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The moment you set the sensitivities to zero, you have thrown away every shape but&lt;br /&gt;
one, and you cannot get them back. So she does that step last, separately, and&lt;br /&gt;
visibly. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/True everywhere against true for real motions|True&lt;br /&gt;
everywhere against true for real motions]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The leftovers at the ends ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One more piece of bookkeeping, and it becomes important later.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The accounting above quietly assumed the nudge dies away at the two hooks. If you&lt;br /&gt;
allow the chain to be nudged at the ends as well, extra terms appear, and they&lt;br /&gt;
depend only on what happens at the ends.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Those end terms are usually treated as a nuisance to be assumed away. In this&lt;br /&gt;
subject they are not a nuisance. They are where the conserved quantities come&lt;br /&gt;
from. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/What happens at the edges|What happens at the&lt;br /&gt;
edges]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Not the smallest score, the unchanging one ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A word of warning about how this is usually said.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You will often read that nature picks the path with the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;smallest&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; score. That&lt;br /&gt;
is wrong often enough to matter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What nature picks is the path where a nudge makes no difference. Usually that is&lt;br /&gt;
the smallest, in the way the bottom of a valley is the lowest point nearby. But a&lt;br /&gt;
nudge also makes no difference at the top of a hill, or at a saddle where the&lt;br /&gt;
ground falls away in one direction and rises in the other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
All three happen in physics. Light reflecting off the inside of a curved mirror&lt;br /&gt;
can take the path of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;greatest&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; time among nearby paths, and it is still the&lt;br /&gt;
path light takes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So the test is not &amp;quot;smallest&amp;quot;. The test is &amp;quot;a nudge changes nothing&amp;quot;, and that is&lt;br /&gt;
a weaker and more useful condition. The chain hanging between two hooks happens to&lt;br /&gt;
sit at a minimum. Do not assume the next case will.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== One nudge at a time ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One more point of care. The nudges are independent: you may push the chain here&lt;br /&gt;
without pushing it there, and the accounting has to hold for every such push&lt;br /&gt;
separately.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is what makes the sensitivities well defined point by point, rather than a&lt;br /&gt;
single overall number. It is also what forces there to be as many equations as&lt;br /&gt;
there are things you could push.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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