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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-03)</title>
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/One-parameter groups and their generators|One-parameter groups and their generators]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NT-F-15.png|thumb|right|360px|alt=A family of parallel flow curves. One point carries a tangent arrow labelled the generator, and a series of dots along the curve shows the finite transformation built by repeating the small step. A caption states that both proofs run on the generator because the group is recoverable from it.|A one-parameter group: flow lines and the generator]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A snowflake looks the same if you turn it by sixty degrees. A dinner plate looks&lt;br /&gt;
the same if you turn it by any angle you like.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Both are symmetries. Only the second is the kind Noether&amp;#039;s theorems use.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Continuous means adjustable ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The snowflake gives you six choices. The plate gives you a dial: turn it by any&lt;br /&gt;
amount, and every amount works.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That dial is what &amp;quot;continuous&amp;quot; means. There is a knob, it turns smoothly, and&lt;br /&gt;
every setting is as good as any other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A symmetry can have more than one knob. Move an object in space and you have&lt;br /&gt;
three: left-right, forward-back, up-down. Turn it and you have three more. Each&lt;br /&gt;
knob is called a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;parameter&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, and counting them is the first thing either&lt;br /&gt;
theorem asks you to do, because the count of knobs is the count of results you&lt;br /&gt;
get back.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The smallest possible turn ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Set every knob to zero and nothing happens. That is the setting where the&lt;br /&gt;
transformation does nothing at all, and you can always arrange the knobs so that&lt;br /&gt;
zero means &amp;quot;do nothing&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now turn one knob by the tiniest amount. What you get is an &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;infinitesimal&lt;br /&gt;
transformation&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; — the smallest recognisable version of the change.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This turns out to be the only version you need. Turn the knob by a tiny amount,&lt;br /&gt;
then again, then again, and you can build up any amount you like. So the whole&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry is recoverable from its smallest step, and both proofs work entirely&lt;br /&gt;
with the smallest step. Physicists call the smallest step the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;generator&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;,&lt;br /&gt;
because it generates everything else.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Two kinds of knob, and the difference is not size ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the distinction the whole volume turns on.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;One knob for the whole thing.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Rotate the plate. You choose one angle and&lt;br /&gt;
that angle applies everywhere on the plate at once. Turn the knob and the entire&lt;br /&gt;
object moves together.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;One knob at every point.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Now imagine a change you can dial differently&lt;br /&gt;
here than there — a little here, a lot over there, nothing at all in the corner.&lt;br /&gt;
You are not setting a number. You are choosing a whole pattern of numbers, one&lt;br /&gt;
for each place.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first kind gives you Noether&amp;#039;s first theorem. The second gives you her second&lt;br /&gt;
theorem. They give different answers, and the difference is not that the second&lt;br /&gt;
has more knobs. It is that the second does not have knobs at all in the ordinary&lt;br /&gt;
sense — it has a shape you can draw freely.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Adding more knobs to the first kind never turns it into the second. A hundred&lt;br /&gt;
knobs is still a hundred numbers. A free pattern is a different sort of thing.&lt;br /&gt;
See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Symmetry that can differ from place to place|Symmetry&lt;br /&gt;
that can differ from place to place]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why the count is exact ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Both theorems return one result per knob, or one per free pattern. Not roughly&lt;br /&gt;
one. Exactly one, and the results are independent of each other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That exactness is doing real work. If you find three conserved quantities and the&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry has three knobs, there are no more to find. If you find a fourth, you&lt;br /&gt;
have missed a knob.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Symmetries that give nothing ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not every symmetry is the useful kind, and it is worth knowing which are not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Reflect a system in a mirror. The physics may well be unchanged. But there is no&lt;br /&gt;
dial: you either reflect or you do not, and there is no such thing as reflecting&lt;br /&gt;
by thirty per cent.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Run time backwards. Same situation — a switch, not a knob.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Swap two identical particles. Again a switch.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These are all genuine symmetries and they matter enormously in physics. Mirror&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry, for instance, is what tells you certain reactions cannot happen. But&lt;br /&gt;
neither of Noether&amp;#039;s theorems has anything to say about them, and no conserved&lt;br /&gt;
quantity of the kind she describes comes out of any of them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The reason is the smallest step. Both proofs work by taking a symmetry, shrinking&lt;br /&gt;
it until it barely does anything, and reading off what that tiny change costs.&lt;br /&gt;
A switch has no tiny version. There is nothing to shrink.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;So the theorems are silent on a whole class of real symmetries, and the silence&lt;br /&gt;
is structural rather than an oversight.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Physics does get conservation laws out&lt;br /&gt;
of switch-like symmetries — parity is conserved by most interactions — but those&lt;br /&gt;
laws are found another way and obey different rules. They are conserved as&lt;br /&gt;
labels, not as amounts, and you cannot have half of one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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