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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-06)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-06)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE:What happens at the edges}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/The boundary term|The boundary term]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NT-F-14.png|thumb|right|360px|alt=A solid rectangle and a shifted dashed copy of it, with the strip that enters shaded on one side and the strip that leaves shaded on the other. The overlapping interior is marked unchanged. A caption says the whole cost of moving the region is a border term, and that this term becomes the conserved current.|The origin of the boundary term]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is the hinge of the whole argument, and it turns on being careful about a&lt;br /&gt;
question that sounds trivial: changed compared with what?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Two thermometers ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A river is warming through the afternoon, and it is warmer downstream than up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Drop a floating thermometer in the water. It drifts with the current and records&lt;br /&gt;
a rising temperature. Some of that rise is the afternoon warming everything. Some&lt;br /&gt;
of it is the thermometer arriving somewhere that was already warmer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now fix a second thermometer to the bridge. It also records a rise, but only the&lt;br /&gt;
afternoon&amp;#039;s. It never goes anywhere, so nothing it records is due to arriving&lt;br /&gt;
somewhere new.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Two thermometers, two different numbers, both correct.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; Which one you want&lt;br /&gt;
depends on the question, and confusing them is a mistake that shows up as a wrong&lt;br /&gt;
sign rather than as obvious nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Noether keeps three, not two ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Most treatments of her theorems use two symbols where she used three. The middle&lt;br /&gt;
one is the one that disappears.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The drifting thermometer.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The total change: the new situation at the new&lt;br /&gt;
place, against the old situation at the old place. Everything that changed, from&lt;br /&gt;
every cause.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The bridge thermometer.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The change at a fixed place: the new situation&lt;br /&gt;
compared with the old at the same spot. This is the total change with the effect&lt;br /&gt;
of moving subtracted out.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The nudge.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The ordinary change you make when you test a shape by pushing&lt;br /&gt;
it, as on&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Nudging a path and seeing what changes|the nudging&lt;br /&gt;
page]]. Here nothing is being transformed at all — you are just poking the system&lt;br /&gt;
to see if it pushes back.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first two differ by exactly the amount the drift accounts for. Noether writes&lt;br /&gt;
that difference down as its own equation, and it is one of the most quoted lines&lt;br /&gt;
in the paper. Compress the three into two and you lose the equation that&lt;br /&gt;
subtracts the drift, which is precisely where sign errors come from.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Moving the frame ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a second piece of bookkeeping on this page, and it produces the thing&lt;br /&gt;
everything else is built on.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Photograph a scene. Now slide the frame slightly and photograph again. The two&lt;br /&gt;
pictures differ, and the difference is entirely at the border: a strip has come in&lt;br /&gt;
on one side, a strip has gone out on the other. The middle is untouched.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Transforming the variables moves the frame in just this way, and the cost of&lt;br /&gt;
moving it is exactly a border term.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;That border term is where conserved quantities come from.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; It is not an&lt;br /&gt;
error term to be assumed away. It is the answer.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Losing the integral sign ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The last step on this page is short and it changes everything after it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
You end up with a statement that some total, added up over a region, is zero.&lt;br /&gt;
That would be a mild statement if it were about one region. But it holds for&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;every&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; region you choose — big, small, anywhere.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A quantity whose total is zero over every possible region has to be zero&lt;br /&gt;
everywhere. There is nowhere for it to hide.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So the statement stops being about totals and becomes a statement about each&lt;br /&gt;
point separately. From here to the end of both theorems there is no adding up at&lt;br /&gt;
all, only algebra.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is why the results hold point by point, and why they hold whether or not&lt;br /&gt;
anything is obeying the laws of physics.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Reading the wrong thermometer ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the failure this page exists to prevent.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Suppose you are working out the conserved quantity for a shift in time, and you&lt;br /&gt;
reach for the drifting thermometer when the argument wanted the bridge one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The two differ by the drift term. So your answer differs from the right answer by&lt;br /&gt;
that same term. And the drift term is not small, and it is not obviously out of&lt;br /&gt;
place — it has the right units, it has a sensible size, it varies the way you would&lt;br /&gt;
expect a piece of the energy to vary.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What you get is not an error message. It is a wrong conserved quantity that looks&lt;br /&gt;
entirely reasonable, and which happens to be conserved in the special case where&lt;br /&gt;
nothing is moving.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The most common symptom is a sign.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The two comparisons differ by the drift,&lt;br /&gt;
and the drift enters with a minus, so a treatment that muddles them tends to&lt;br /&gt;
produce an answer that is right except for being backwards. A minus sign is easy&lt;br /&gt;
to blame on a convention and hard to trace to its cause.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is why Noether kept three symbols where two would have looked tidier, and why&lt;br /&gt;
this volume does the same.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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