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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-27)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Mathematics/Anomalies|Anomalies: when a classical symmetry does not survive quantisation]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;A note about this page.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; As with&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/The theorem after quantum mechanics|the previous&lt;br /&gt;
one]], its counterpart derives nothing and marks its statements as unchecked. The&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;statement&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; below can be given plainly and is worth having. The &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;mechanism&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
cannot, and this page does not attempt it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The statement ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Unchecked.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; A classical theory has a symmetry. You build the quantum version&lt;br /&gt;
of that theory. The symmetry is gone.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not hidden, not approximate. Gone. And not because anyone was careless: for certain&lt;br /&gt;
symmetries the failure is unavoidable, because the steps needed to make the quantum&lt;br /&gt;
theory well defined are themselves incompatible with the symmetry. One or the other&lt;br /&gt;
has to give, and it is the symmetry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
An event of this kind is called an &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;anomaly&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. The best-known case makes a&lt;br /&gt;
quantity that is conserved in the classical theory stop being conserved in the&lt;br /&gt;
quantum one — and the effect was measured in the laboratory before it was properly&lt;br /&gt;
understood.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The mechanism, which this page does not give ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Why the steps are incompatible is a question about how infinities are handled in&lt;br /&gt;
quantum field theory, and there is no honest short version.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This page could produce a paragraph. It would leave a reader believing they had&lt;br /&gt;
been told something. That is worse than the gap.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The misreading this page exists to prevent ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here is the part that &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;can&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; be said plainly, and it is a point of logic rather&lt;br /&gt;
than of physics.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;An anomaly is not a failure of Noether&amp;#039;s theorem.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Both of her theorems are conditional. Each says: &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;if&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; the scoring rule survives&lt;br /&gt;
a certain symmetry, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;then&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; certain things follow. Neither says that any&lt;br /&gt;
particular scoring rule does survive any particular symmetry. That was never&lt;br /&gt;
claimed and is not the theorem&amp;#039;s business.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When a symmetry does not survive quantisation, the quantum theory simply fails the&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;if&amp;quot;. A conditional whose condition is not met has not been contradicted. It has&lt;br /&gt;
not been invoked.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The classical theorem remains exactly as true as it ever was, about the classical&lt;br /&gt;
theory it was always about. What changed is that the quantum theory is a different&lt;br /&gt;
theory, and it does not have the symmetry.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The correct sentence is: the symmetry did not survive. Not: the theorem&lt;br /&gt;
broke.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Why some anomalies end a theory ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One consequence is worth carrying, because it turns this from a curiosity into a&lt;br /&gt;
working constraint.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If a symmetry of the one-choice-for-everywhere kind is anomalous, a classically&lt;br /&gt;
conserved quantity stops being conserved. That is a prediction. It can be checked,&lt;br /&gt;
and in the famous case it was.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
If a symmetry of the choice-at-every-point kind is anomalous, the theory is&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;broken&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. The slack in its description was never supposed to be physical, and&lt;br /&gt;
the quantum theory needs it to stay that way. An anomaly means it does not, and the&lt;br /&gt;
theory starts predicting nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So candidate theories are checked for this before anything else, and the&lt;br /&gt;
requirement that such anomalies cancel is a severe restriction on what a theory may&lt;br /&gt;
contain. Several features of the known particles are there because nothing else&lt;br /&gt;
would cancel.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is the second theorem&amp;#039;s structure, a hundred years on, working as a design&lt;br /&gt;
rule. It is as far downstream of 1918 as this volume follows.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Two ways a symmetry can stop being visible ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Worth separating, because they are constantly confused and only one is on this&lt;br /&gt;
page.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The symmetry is there and the situation is not.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; A pencil balanced on its&lt;br /&gt;
point is symmetric about the vertical. Let it fall and it points one way. The laws&lt;br /&gt;
did not change; the particular outcome simply had to choose. Physicists call this&lt;br /&gt;
spontaneous breaking, and the symmetry is fully intact — it is now relating&lt;br /&gt;
different possible outcomes to each other rather than being visible in any one of&lt;br /&gt;
them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The symmetry is not there at all.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; That is the anomaly above. Nothing chose&lt;br /&gt;
anything. The quantum theory simply does not have the symmetry, and no&lt;br /&gt;
rearrangement of the situation recovers it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The two get run together because both are described as symmetry breaking, and both&lt;br /&gt;
end with a conservation law you cannot use. They are entirely different events.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The test is what happens to the conserved quantity. Under spontaneous breaking it&lt;br /&gt;
is still conserved — the pencil&amp;#039;s fall conserves angular momentum perfectly well.&lt;br /&gt;
Under an anomaly it is not conserved, and the failure is measurable.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;One is a symmetric law with an unsymmetric outcome. The other is a law that&lt;br /&gt;
lost its symmetry on the way from classical to quantum.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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