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		<title>NT&gt;NoetherVolumeBuild: Noether theorems volume, initial import (B-11)</title>
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&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Mathematical counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/First theorem/Energy, momentum and angular momentum|Energy, momentum and angular momentum]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Three famous conservation laws, three symmetries, one theorem. This page says&lt;br /&gt;
which goes with which and what the connection actually asserts.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Start with what was already known ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Energy, momentum and angular momentum were known to be conserved long before&lt;br /&gt;
1918. Pendulums, planets, colliding billiard balls — the evidence was centuries&lt;br /&gt;
old and nobody doubted it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Noether did not discover these conservation laws.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; What she found was why&lt;br /&gt;
they hold, and that the answer is the same answer three times over.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Time does not matter, so energy is conserved ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Set up a pendulum and start it swinging. Come back tomorrow, set up the same&lt;br /&gt;
pendulum the same way, and start it again.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It does the same thing. The laws did not change overnight.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is a symmetry: shifting when you run the experiment leaves the scoring rule&lt;br /&gt;
alone. One knob — how far you shift.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One knob, one conserved quantity. That quantity is energy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note what the symmetry is not. It is not that nothing changes with time; the&lt;br /&gt;
pendulum swings. It is that the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;rules&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; do not change with time.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Place does not matter, so momentum is conserved ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Same experiment, moved across the room. Same result.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Three knobs, since you can move it three independent ways. Three conserved&lt;br /&gt;
quantities, and together they are momentum.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There is a version of this you meet earlier in physics without knowing it is the&lt;br /&gt;
same thing. If a coordinate never appears in the scoring rule — only how fast it&lt;br /&gt;
is changing does — then the quantity conjugate to it is conserved. That is exactly&lt;br /&gt;
this symmetry, and the theorem explains why the trick works.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Direction does not matter, so angular momentum is conserved ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Turn the whole experiment to face a different way. Same result.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Three knobs again, one for each axis. Three conserved quantities, which together&lt;br /&gt;
are angular momentum.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A spinning skater pulling her arms in speeds up. Nothing pushed her. The reason&lt;br /&gt;
she speeds up is that space does not care which way she is facing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The structural difference between the three ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Energy is not quite like the other two, and it is worth seeing why.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Momentum and angular momentum come from moving the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;things&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; — the positions,&lt;br /&gt;
the orientations. Energy comes from moving the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;clock&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Because energy comes from moving the clock, its flow picks up an extra&lt;br /&gt;
contribution that the other two do not have, from the frame having shifted. That&lt;br /&gt;
is the picture-frame effect from&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/What happens at the edges|the edges page]], and it&lt;br /&gt;
is why a treatment that only ever moves the things can produce momentum but not&lt;br /&gt;
energy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What the theorem is really telling you ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Not that energy is conserved. You knew that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is telling you that &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;energy conservation and the uniformity of time are the&lt;br /&gt;
same fact&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. Not two facts that happen to agree. One fact, written two ways.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Which means the connection can fail. In a situation where the rules genuinely do&lt;br /&gt;
change with time, energy is not conserved — and this is not a breakdown of&lt;br /&gt;
physics, it is exactly what the theorem predicts. The expanding universe is such a&lt;br /&gt;
situation, and there is&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Where the light&amp;#039;s energy goes|a page on it]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== How many are there altogether ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The theorem lets you count, and the count for ordinary physics in empty space is&lt;br /&gt;
worth knowing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One for shifting the clock. Three for moving through space. Three for turning.&lt;br /&gt;
And three more for changing to a laboratory that is sliding at a steady speed,&lt;br /&gt;
which is the case on&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Drifting centres and electric charge|the next&lt;br /&gt;
page]] and needs a slightly weaker condition than the others.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Ten in total. Ten symmetries of empty space, ten conserved quantities, and no&lt;br /&gt;
eleventh. If somebody claims a new conservation law for an isolated system in&lt;br /&gt;
ordinary space, the theorem says it is either one of these ten in disguise or it&lt;br /&gt;
does not come from a symmetry of this kind at all.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== When the reasons stop applying ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Each of the three on this page rests on a fact about the world that could fail,&lt;br /&gt;
and in at least one case does.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Time is uniform in the laboratory. It is not uniform across the history of the&lt;br /&gt;
universe, which has been expanding since it began. The rules governing light&lt;br /&gt;
travelling across that expansion genuinely do change with time — and light&lt;br /&gt;
travelling across it genuinely does lose energy. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/Where the light&amp;#039;s energy goes|Where the light&amp;#039;s&lt;br /&gt;
energy goes]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That is not an exception to the theorem. It is the theorem, read in the direction&lt;br /&gt;
people rarely read it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;No mathematics is used on this page. The mathematical treatment is on the&lt;br /&gt;
counterpart page named above.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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