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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Noether theorems volume, initial import (M-03)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{DISPLAYTITLE:Poisson brackets and the generator identity}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Plain-language counterpart: [[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Explainers/The conserved thing is the thing that does the moving|The conserved thing is the thing that does the moving]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In Hamiltonian form the first theorem becomes nearly a tautology. This page&lt;br /&gt;
derives it, and it is the shortest complete argument in the volume.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The bracket ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For functions &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;F&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of coordinates&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;q_{k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and momenta &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;p_{k}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\{F,G\}=\sum_{k}\left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial q_{k}}\frac{\partial G}{\partial p_{k}}-\frac{\partial F}{\partial p_{k}}\frac{\partial G}{\partial q_{k}}\right)\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(1)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Interchanging &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;F&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; interchanges the two products and&lt;br /&gt;
reverses the sign, so&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\{F,G\}=-\{G,F\}\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(2)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Antisymmetry is immediate from the definition and is the only property this page&lt;br /&gt;
needs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Evolution, derived ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hamilton&amp;#039;s equations are&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{dq_{k}}{dt}=\frac{\partial H}{\partial p_{k}};\qquad\frac{dp_{k}}{dt}=-\frac{\partial H}{\partial q_{k}}\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(3)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Take any &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;F&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and differentiate along the motion:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{dF}{dt}=\sum_{k}\left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial q_{k}}\frac{dq_{k}}{dt}+\frac{\partial F}{\partial p_{k}}\frac{dp_{k}}{dt}\right)+\frac{\partial F}{\partial t}\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(4)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Substitute (3):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\frac{dF}{dt}=\sum_{k}\left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial q_{k}}\frac{\partial H}{\partial p_{k}}-\frac{\partial F}{\partial p_{k}}\frac{\partial H}{\partial q_{k}}\right)+\frac{\partial F}{\partial t}=\{F,H\}+\frac{\partial F}{\partial t}\qquad\qquad\mathrm{(5)}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So a quantity with no explicit time dependence is conserved exactly when its&lt;br /&gt;
bracket with the Hamiltonian vanishes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The generator identity ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A function &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; also &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;generates&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; a flow, by the same formula with&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; in the Hamiltonian&amp;#039;s place: along that flow,&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;dF/ds=\{F,G\}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;. So &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is the generator of a&lt;br /&gt;
one-parameter family of transformations, in the sense of&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Mathematics/Lie groups and Lie algebras|the Lie page]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Now put the two readings of the same bracket beside each other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\{G,H\}=0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; read one way says &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; does not change under the&lt;br /&gt;
motion. Read the other way — using (2) — it says &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;H&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; does not change&lt;br /&gt;
under the flow that &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; generates.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;The two statements are the same equation.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; &amp;quot;This quantity is conserved&amp;quot; and&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;the Hamiltonian is symmetric under the transformation this quantity generates&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
are not two facts connected by a theorem. They are one bracket, read from either&lt;br /&gt;
side, and the connection is the antisymmetry (2).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Setting &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G=H&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; gives &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\{H,H\}=0&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; identically, so a Hamiltonian&lt;br /&gt;
with no explicit time dependence is conserved without any further argument.&lt;br /&gt;
Energy conservation is the antisymmetry of the bracket.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What this does and does not replace ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;It is not a shorter proof of the first theorem.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; It presupposes the&lt;br /&gt;
Hamiltonian form, which presupposes that the momenta can be solved for the&lt;br /&gt;
velocities. Precisely the theories the second theorem is about — those with a local&lt;br /&gt;
symmetry — fail that condition, because&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Second theorem/Fewer independent field equations than fields|some&lt;br /&gt;
of their equations are not independent]]. For those, the Hamiltonian route is the&lt;br /&gt;
hard road, not the easy one.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;It is not the whole content.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; The bracket argument delivers the on-shell&lt;br /&gt;
statement directly and never produces the identity that holds off-shell. It is a&lt;br /&gt;
shorter route to less.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It belongs beside Noether&amp;#039;s proof, not instead of it — but it is the clearest&lt;br /&gt;
statement anywhere of why a symmetry and a conserved quantity are the same object&lt;br /&gt;
seen twice.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Provenance: (1) to (5) are standard and are derived above. The reading of (2) as&lt;br /&gt;
the content of the symmetry-conservation correspondence is this volume&amp;#039;s own&lt;br /&gt;
arrangement. No source was consulted for this page. See&lt;br /&gt;
[[Noether&amp;#039;s theorems/Sources|Sources]].&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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